I'm starting to re-read the YW series from SYWTBAW as an in-depth study of the ideas DD has brought out. One thing that intrigues me is the age at which a wizard is offered the Oath. We know Kit was found by his Manual at twelve, Nita, at thirteen, and Dairine at 11, who made an impressive debut against the Lone Power. I wonder if there's something about childhood or early puberty that affects a wizard. This is a theme echoed by other authors, like David Eddings and Tamora Pierce. I started reading fantasy books when I was about 13 and I wanted to be able to do magic and wizardry just as bad as Kit or Nita. What do you think? And why is it that young wizards lose power as they get older and tend to "specialize"? Is it symbolic of growing up? At any rate, I'm glad that DD emphasizes how special and magical children, and childhood, are. What do you think?

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I seem to remember something mentioned about surges in power being linked to hormonal changes. Perhaps the onset of wizardry has a chemical link.

That particular age for wizardry, 11-12-13, is also a convenient time. Old enough to have a grasp on responsibility (NO OFFENSE to anyone younger--it's just that there are always those who take a little longer to figure things out) but young enough to 1: be able to believe in wizardry in the first place and 2: presumably have enough time on their hands to learn it.

I agree with Quill. But also, at one point DD mentions that younger wizards have more power because they can do the impossible, since they don't know that it's impossible (I don't remember where the exact quote is, sorry). Which is funny because this is actually true with young people in general. Coming from a young person, but still. For an example, my Computer-apps teacher recently had us watch a program on the invention and evolution of the PC, and someone said something to the effect of "it would have been impossible for us to do that today, because we'd know that it's impossible. But we were young, idealistic teenagers, and we didn't realize that, so we did it--and succeeded."

I think this is a repeating theme in YW, especially with Dairine.... although, with her case she may be realizing the definition of impossible because her power has decreased.

And then there's that entire thing about younger wizards being able to take risks because they're more willing to let go, if necessary; for an example, in the climactic scene in AWA, Darryl says "...I haven't lived long enough to be really attatched to life. Maybe this is the other thing that makes wizards so powerful when they're young. It's not that we don't know about death. It's not that we don't believe in it. It's that we're still able to let life go, if the price is right."

So maybe wizards are chosen at the age they are so that they can fit in the little window of time in which they both know responsibility and are willing to try the impossible or risk the disasterous...

Although it may be worth mentioning that Darryl and Dairine are exceptional, while Nita mentions at one point that Kit was fairly young, too... and someone mentions that the Powers want wizards to enjoy proper childhoods before going into something so serious.I think it was in either AWA or HW, or possibly even both.

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You all make sense with your ideas. However, I seem to remember something Nita said about Dairine being young for taking the Oath. I think it was in HW? Hm...I need to go back and check.

I spent my days off thinking about how my childhood and teenage years would have been different if I'd been offered the Oath (which I'm sure I would have) and I've come to the conclusion that being a wizard would have made life so much easier for me. Nothing like a wizardry to balance out all those out of control hormones.

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I started reading fantasy books when I was about 13 and I wanted to be able to do magic and wizardry just as bad as Kit or Nita.

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Heh heh, still do. ^_^ In HW, didn't Tom (or was it Carl?) tell Nita that her wizardry would be more accesible to her during puberty? And as you get older you tend to lose all your childhood fantasies. When you're a kid there's magic everywhere.

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Maybe children get picked is so that they are more infulance to take the oath and the power because they had the power when your born but when you get older the power fades and they are given the oath when the powers that be decide that the kids are old enough to understand and make an informed deicion.

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I am planing to take the oath soon. ive always wanted to do wizardry, and i never had the guts to take the oath. i was always scared of the journey that follows after. if there are any wizards here that has taken the oath and gone through the journey, please tell me about it.

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I think its said the younger you are the higher the initial power levels. Then when puberty hits and you get the power boost (like Kit being able to close the gate by himself) I think it said that its not too late for 'Mela to take the oath so we can know the aproxomite age range without asking....

Yes i remember the third book saying that the Oath is offered at the latest time possible for the person that recieves it

Where'd you read that? I didn't see it...I'll go look through my copy.

Oh, and the Oath didn't work for me. Darn it.

Doesn't it say somewhere that the Powers wait until as long as possible so that the future wizards have a good childhood? [Sorry, I can't remember the book that came from]

I think the reason that it would make sense if it was a younger age. I think it's because when you're younger, teenage still, you aren't as afraid to believe in things. Your mind hasn't been completly set in their ways. It's a time where a lot of things can make the difference in your life.

I also think that it has to do with pride too. I think younger kids, would be willing to take the oath. You saw how Nita felt it was silly and foolish, and almost didn't. That was her becoming more responsible, adult, and the belief of it was silly. I think that it does take a person who can do so mething like that, and kids would be more likely.

I used to read the oath whenever I read the book, now I do it less and less. Maybe it's growing up, or maybe it's just a way to not get dissapointed when it doesn't happen.

That's my thoughts for you.

Sohra -

It's sad that anyone would feel they had to consider the inexplicable or magical or visionary childish or irresponsible. If we really think that's mature, we lose most of our ability to see things for how they truly are.

You're probably right. The fear of looking silly. Being wrong. Getting let down. Sometimes, you just have to take something on faith!

As one grows up they frequently go after things they think is what they want. The problem here is that it isn't always really what they want.
A recent study asked a number or people what would make them happy and most everyone said "stuff", as in "A new car would make me happy", or " A new entertainment system would make me happy". After they got this "thing" they were asked if they were now happy. The answer was usually "no". They still wanted something else to truly be happy.
In the conclusion of this study, it was decided that helping others and similar such acts gave a lasting happy feeling over any "thing".
As we grow up we gain the ability to get the things we wanted. Therefore many of us go after those things. We lose sight of what we used to enjoy and get caught up in the moment. We defeat ourselves without relizing it. I think this traditional loss of idea dating back to when one had to fight for one's life before this modern age, is where the genreral idea of children or "the youngest of the family" come from.
More than likely, there is much more to it but this sounds plausible.

I will add my two cent's here, it said in one of the book's that the younger you are the easier it is for you to belive and your power level is higher. I think it is just because you are young and have alot more energy. I am 13 and I am tired ALL the time. As often as I can I try to sleep. It just comes with getting older.

13? Wow, that's really old.



Sleep is something I keep doing during the day - due to insomnia, I don't get it done during the night.

13... multiplied by 3.5... I'm feeling old again .

I was reading through higher wizardry, and it says that the powers hate to offer the oath at a young age, but they will do so if there is a need. If there is a problem only that the wizard can fix.

Your right Sohma Kodora I remember reading some where about that too!! And I'm guessing it don't happen very oftern considering how all the adult people actted around Darine!!!
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