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"I am the molten heart of the world..."
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Advisory Member ![]() Location: Brewer, ME, USA, Terra, Sol system, Orion arm, Milky Way
Registered:: 18 July 2002
Posts: 412
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I just found an article online that complains about the lack of critical attention to Duane's books, and attempts to remedy the situation. Unfortunately, it's $5 to download the full article, so I haven't read the whole thing. Here's a bit from the online extract:
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Member![]() Location: My own little world....
Registered:: 03 April 2003
Posts: 102
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When I read this, I literally screamed with joy. I think it's awesome that someone is analysing Diane Duane's writing and I'm very excited to read this essay! I wonder if any, if not all, of the points in the essay were actual goals for DD?
I wonder if this Jes Battis is on this forum? I think it would be exciting to speak to him (or her?). It would be easier to speak to him than to Duane, perhaps, and we could discuss the points in his essay that we might not agree with. Is anyone else excited as much as I am about this? From your friendly neighborhood wizard, Poliester. "My artichoke heart is peeiling for you." -- Reni |
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Member Location: away in a book, or writing my own...
Registered:: 12 March 2007
Posts: 43
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That's a real pity, the money. It seems really interesting... I'd like to hear their take on it. And particularly why they focus on Dairine and Nita when there's so much more to it. How'd you find it, Garrett? I always wonder.
I might repeat to myself, slowly and soothingly, a list of quotations beautiful from minds profound; if I can remember any of the **** things. —Dorothy Parker |
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Advisory Member ![]() Location: Brewer, ME, USA, Terra, Sol system, Orion arm, Milky Way
Registered:: 18 July 2002
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If I remember correctly, I was Googling on "wizards words" to try to find the quote from SYWtBaW about how wizards and words got along. This article popped up first and caught my interest, and I figured the rest of you might feel the same way. :-)
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Member Location: lost in my imagination, buried in manuscripts
Registered:: 20 July 2007
Posts: 422
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I have to admit the article is very interesting. Too bad about the money though. I wish it was open to the public, I wanted to read more about that!! It's cool that someone wrote an article about these books.
"It's the simple things in life that are the most extraordinary." -- The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho ||What if I'm not the hero? What if I'm the bad guy?|| 11.21.08|| |
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Advisory Member ![]() Location: Brewer, ME, USA, Terra, Sol system, Orion arm, Milky Way
Registered:: 18 July 2002
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If you don't want to pay to read it, see if Mosaic is available at your local college/university library. You never know...
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Member Location: umm, I don't know...but it echoes
Registered:: 04 September 2007
Posts: 47
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OMW! That is soo cool. I mean, I'm literally like, speechless, which doesn't happen very often. Is the entire essay as deep and intriguing as hat? It really stinks that you have to pay to read it, even though it would probably be totally worth it.
Anyway, that last part about language becoming the battlefield on which they fight, is very, very intense, and really true. I was surprised because most essays and other papers written on books are not so true to the books and barely graze the surface of the deeper meaning of the books, but this is soo amazing. WOW. Um, that was alot for me to get out as I'm still very, very speechless.(then again, I'm typing, not speaking, and for those of you wondering, my jaw is hanging open Garrett, thanks for finding and posting this, it's really, really cool. ~We’re the kinda friends that kill each other for a handful of Doritos and in the end we don’t say sorry we say Haha! Too bad!!~. Errors have been made. Others will be blamed. |
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Advisory Member ![]() Location: Brewer, ME, USA, Terra, Sol system, Orion arm, Milky Way
Registered:: 18 July 2002
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I just found the full article through my Bangor Public Library account: you might want to check your local libraries to see if they have partnerships that allow you to access the article, like "MARVEL!, Maine's Virtual Library".
This quote from later in the article explains what he's focusing on:
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Senior Member Location: Mystical Island castle
Registered:: 20 December 2005
Posts: 1388
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The article sounds good. *would read it, if not for the money, and current time restraint* Express library computer. *grumbles*
dragons rule! what? everything else i might say would take longer then three lines. |
Member![]() Location: daydreamland, books; varies
Registered:: 02 March 2007
Posts: 46
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It's cool to see that critical attention of this sort is being focused on the books...it's this type of thing that makes English class so exciting. I still might need to reread the books to really look at them, but I'll add this to my reading list.
Heh, this could also be an interesting test of whether authors mean half the things readers, students, and teachers pull out of their work. "Half of the ehhif on the planet go to bed with empty stomachs: the other half die of eating themselves sick...." -Rhiow,The Book of Night With Moon |
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Member Location: at school
Registered:: 05 September 2005
Posts: 128
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So people know, this is in the September 2007 issue. I had to go looking through multiple months to find it and I don't want others to have to.
That said,there are definitely some interesting points made. Of course the comparison to other fantasy of being armed with words and only words is an important one. I hadn't really thought about the fact that the fact that its _only_ words stresses the point further that, this is what you have, use it wisely. The importance of things like not lying in the speech on its own make statements about our own lives, but taking into account that they're fighting with words, like what we could do, stresses this importance further and I hadn't thought about that before. In general the focus is interesting, on the language. The going into how it changes Nita and Dairine isn't as interesting as the general stuff for me, but that's partially because of how I am in general. A line that means a lot to me that I think I should share is
This is what this whole thing is about to me, not the transformation that's being discussed, but the importance to us as well. The importance of our words even when in English, or whatever language we speak. The fact that life itself is what the magic is. This is something from YW as a whole that seems to be the point to me, which comes out here. It's not just the lessons that they learn, its the lessons we learn because of their language, and through DD's language, about our own. Oh, also, I blame the boyfriend, but I'm totally comparing the Speech to Lisp now We will remember you PM. And your little GingerBear. |
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Advisory Member ![]() Location: Brewer, ME, USA, Terra, Sol system, Orion arm, Milky Way
Registered:: 18 July 2002
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If it's the Speech, it's not off-topic. :-) Pray continue. :-)
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