Papercrane- Let's be frank about this. If you were starving to death, would you eat a dog, or die? It's rare, but it happens when people are hungry.

Alcott? Margaret Alcott? Canadian... wrote a lot of books... and if you are in Reach for the Top, they ask you a lot of questions on her.

Kitsune Rei

Sure, but we weren't talking about Survivor. If you read the book, the only reason the girl assumes she might be fed a rat is because the people hosting her to tea are Chinese.

This is triply offensive to someone who's Chinese, because it's never been true. It was an invented slam on Chinese that was cooked up by what we'd now call white supremicists in the 1880s American West and published as if it were fact, and undoubtedly swayed people into voting for the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 (a law that did its best to kick Chinese out of the US).

Most people aren't familiar with Asian-American history, but Chinese immigrants in the American West were systematically (and legally) persecuted.

Lynchings (you couldn't testify in court if you were Chinese in California), miscegenation laws, restrictions on movement, residence, employment, exclusion from citizenship and protection of laws, mandatory registration, etc. were all part of the package. Because folks believed the rat story which made it easier to demonize the Chinese and blame them for taking away jobs (actually, the Chinese were something like .002% of the population).

Just saying. Stereotypes can sometimes be dangerous weapons. Champion them at your own risk.

Quill!! <squee!!!!> They're on Amazon!

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Aurora: That's not the point. I mean, I think during one war Chinese at dogs regularly, and I understand that. But...I think kli6 explains it best. Also, we're talking about Louisa May Alcott. I think we mentioned that a page or two back.
<sort of related> Is there an Asian History week or month or day or whatever? I mean, speaking from my statistically-challenged position I'd say there are a sizable number of Asians in America, and we have a Latino something-or-other and a Black History Month...but I have no idea and I have exactly one more minute online.

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Quill!! <squee!!!!> They're on Amazon!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0142501530
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0142501433
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0142501611

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Yes, yes, yes!! I have people to tell!! Thank you!!!

They didn't have WH on Borders... :sad:

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean I'm not being followed...
You can tell THEM you're Homeward Bounder.
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papercrane, I think it was May of this year.

A good survey history (not just Chinese-American, but Asian-American overall) is Ronald Takaki's Strangers From a Different Shore. I really regret, now, that I never had the time to take his Asian-American history course when I was at UC Berkeley.

kli6: Oh, I missed it? *is vaguely disappointed*

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No, I was making the point that yes, it is true- but then, if you were starving to death, you'd eat them too. That IS what they do when they are poor and starving in China.

Just like the Witch-hunts...

I'm not American. I'm Canadian. Don't expect me to know much about US history. However, Canada established a Chinese Head Tax in the 1890s, which started at $50 and was raised up to $500 by 1903.

I'm beginning to feel patronised... and I don't like it... This is like arguing with a German over the Second World War and who is a good teacher in the school... Only, see, he respects me to some degree.

~kit.

Kitsune Rei

Aurora: Yes, I know. I did say. But that's not the point. Look, nobody's trying to patronise you and we do respect you a lot and I think you shouldn't read into stuff so much.

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So, was at a Terry Pratchett signing last night, and he talked about the latest two books he'd written (both slated for publication next year), Going Postal and A Hatful of Sky and just wanted to let folk know that Hatful is a Tiffany Aching book, where she's apparently learning how to be a witch from Granny Weatherwax. And there's a lovely scene with bees.

*gasp* Happiness! Did he say anything about Going Postal? Tiffany Aching. Excellent. And we haven't heard from the witches for ages, either... nice!
Cheers.
T

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Bits and bobs, but nothing really about what it was about or who was in it. Comments like, yes, in the UK they know what the term means. It's kind of funny, but thinking back on it, he said realatively little about the book the signing was ostensibly for (Monstrous Regiment).

I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure I haven't mentioned my impressions of STEKR and S&D. So, here does...

My "basic summary" of STEKR: CSI for fantasy addicts. Hah! Well, not really, but that's one aspect of it that I found really appealing and really enjoyed. I liked Lee (but ooh, boy, much Lee-confusion going on, there...) but I particularly liked her partner, whose naem I have forgotten how to spell and am not going to try. I really liked this...

...but I liked S&D much better. This reminded me exactly how much of an epic fantasy girl I am at heart. A while ago I used to read a _lot_ of epic fantasy (Good, bad and mediocre. Mostly mediocre. Edddings, Kay, Goodkind, Jordan, Rawn...) but just lately I've been reading other stuff- stuff I've really enjoyed (YA fiction, Gibson, Gaiman, Pratchett...) but reading The Sword and the Dragon,, I realised how much I _missed_ epic fantasy. And, a bonus, this stuff wasn't predictable. It was fresh and it was interesting and I loved it. I liked Fire more than the second one, because I liked Herewiss better than Segnbora. There was some familiar stuff (occasional mentions of entropy, and the verb stiho was somehow very familiar... ) I liked ... Lang, I think his name was (Lucy stole it, so I haven't re-read it yet.) I liked a lot of the detail, the incidental scenes, particularly at the beginning- Herewiss's dad and son; the scene with the girl at the inn.
In a nutshell: loved it. *sigh* So, when's the next one? *ducks*

Oh, yeah. What adult content was that again? (No, I don't count one reasonably mild scene.. I have read a lot, lot, lot worse in the YA division... A very good handling of that particular scene, though.)
T

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I'm probably with you on liking the Tale of the Five better than Stealing the Elf-King's Roses, but that's probably a mere fact of years and waiting and volume. I've been reading the Door books since they first came out, so it's been well over 20 years for me to re-read them and memorize them and love them. By contrast, Roses has been out for less than a year.

But I also have to say that Roses was a beautiful surprise and a joy to read. As I said at the time, much as I love the YW books, it was just swell to have an "adult" DD to read. And with police/court-procedural elements in it. Gosh-golly.

On liking Dusty more than 'Berend, however, I'm not with you. She's my favorite of the Five, and I can't wait to see (rot13 Door into Sunset spoiler) jung ure/Unfnv'f naq Serrybea'f onol vf tbvat gb or yvxr. But the really fun thing is you are now equipped to get an injoke in SYWtBaW. Go back, now, and check out the name of the author on Nita's Manual.

The "next" one was published in 1992. We're just waiting for the fourth book . The series runs: Door Into Fire (1979), Door Into Shadow (1985), Door Into Sunset (1992), and Door Into Starlight (2004?). The Sword and the Dragon was Fire and Shadow; The Lion and the Crown will be Sunset and Starlight.

But...

DD has a few other irons in the fire, including Wizards at War. Welcome to the club of those-who-sit-and-wait-for-Starlight.

[This message was edited by kli6 on 15 October 2003 at 16:19.]

Oooh! Excitement! (I have a feeling I shouldn't have read that spoiler. But it's not, like, a plot element, is it? )
I feel very privileged to join the club, but somehow don't think I'm qualified... I still haven't got my hot little hands on Sunset and since Wellington City Libraries doesn't have it, that's a clue it's unavailable in New Zealand. (Speaking of which: is there a way to find out comparative publishing dates for NZ as opposed to the States/UK dates? I should know this, but this is the only series I read apart from Discworld and The Wheel of Time that is still being published... and with Discworld dates are, praise the publishing gods, simultaneous (Monstrous Regiment is good, btw...) and my best friend finds out all the WoT dates for me. Sigh.

As for the in-joke: yeah, I knew about that...... *GRIN*
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No, it's not a big plot thang.

And don't worry. You read one Door book, it counts. No idea about how to check NZ vs. other publication dates. As far as I know Sunset only had three editions: the Corgi UK (1992), the US hardcover (1993) and the US paperback (1994).

You'll just have to read DD's Trek books to fill in the wait. I'd suggest starting with My Enemy, My Ally.

So, what's everybody reading? I'm finally down to the last two titles of Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin series, so I've got high hopes of being done before Master and Commander hits the screens. (I've been waiting for years to read this series, and when I heard they were borrowing from all the books in the series for the movie, I wanted to finish 'em before the flick spoiled anything for me.) [NOT that I have high hopes for the film. I'm actually figuring on the Hornblowers on A&E helping me to get over my disappointment with Russell Crowe).

I'm also working my way steadily through Discworld (with a sidetrip to the Bromeliad trilogy). I'm up to Men-at-Arms, although I skipped ahead with Wee Free Men. Tui, I now get why you were so happy about Tiffany reappearing.

I also read a little of a book called Shakespeare's Shakespeare that I got for my birthday, which is all about editing Shakespeare, and I gotta say it's an absolute hoot. And for the first time, I found I actually needed my Riverside, my Oxford, and my First Folio facsimile all out on the floor in front of me, simultaneously. Usually I only need two at a time if I'm comparing stuff.

I haven't been reading a lot these days, actually.

I finished something by Stephen King last week. Carrie. Pretty good.

Reading Pride and Prejudice right now because a teacher I respect asked me to.

Kitsune Rei~In love and hating it~

Austen's great fun, but, while I do love P&P, I've always preferred Persuasion. I like the setup in Persuasion more (a couple that broke up 8 years ago meets again), as well as all the naval stuff that leaks in and the setting of Bath. And there's nothing to beat the concert scene and Wentworth's letter.